This is the final reply to his second video which could previously be viewed here. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case. REASON INFUSION has deleted all three of those videos which were addressed to both I and Blackmore and replaced them with one single generic video titled "REASON INFUSION HOW I CAN BE MUSLIM AND BLACK".
|Gone with the wind: Screen capture of REASON INFUSION's videos|
Luckily, I can still recall the major issues he discussed in the final part of his second video and so am able to reply to the rest of it today from memory. My response to the first video can be viewed here, my first response to the second video can be viewed here, my second response to the second video can be viewed here, and all previous responses from both I and Blackmore can be read here.
I apologize for the delay in these responses, but, to be frank, replying to REASON INFUSION's rants are not very high (and rightly so, considering his mass deletions) on my list of priorities. However, I am of the firm belief that if you are going to do something you should do it properly. Hence the length of these posts.
I finished off my previous response by addressing REASON INFUSION's ironic comparison of the Dutch and the apartheid laws to the US Jim Crow laws and Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews, and so will continue on from there. For those who watched his video before he deleted it, this response deals with everything from 3 minutes 6 seconds and beyond.
Crime Statistics in the West and those Responsible
After these comparisons, he then brings up figures dealing with human trafficking of women who are then forced to sell their bodies in the Netherlands. Again this is hypocritical of REASON INFUSION. Arguments like these are often used by Muslims, and for them to do such a thing is extremely twisted and sadistic.
What these apologists are basically doing is defending an ideology by using a tu quoque argument that negatively smears an entire nation or ethnicity who may face a certain problem. Smears which in turn can and will be used to fuel racism.
Not only is this a highly bigoted/racist thing to do (where you are born and what your ethnicity is do not affect your behavior. On the other hand, what you believe in certainly does), but it is also rather twisted and hypocritical when the reality of the situation is that much of those problems are caused by the very ideology that the apologists are attempting to defend.
This was the case with REASON INFUSION when he addressed me with his tu quoque argument against Bangladesh and the sexual/physical abuse of children there, and it is also the case here. Blackmore addressed the attack on the Netherlands here, but I would like to expound on that today.
Human Trafficking and Sex Crimes
Human trafficking is hardly unique to the Netherlands or the West. In fact, Muslim countries seem to excel at this abhorrent trade.
Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim country with a population of 246 million. This Muslim country tops the UN bodies list for child trafficking cases, yet measures to protect children against sexual exploitation there "remain weak".
REASON INFUSION loves to open his fallacious arguments with "they conveniently overlook the fact...", and this argument is no exception. So why hasn't he condemned any of this? And before he again accuses us of employing the tu quoque fallacy, I would like to point out that it is him and only him who is using it. Blackmore and I are simply responding to his tu quoque and exposing their stupidity.
Not only Indonesia, but Yemen, where child trafficking actually increases during Ramadan, and where the government takes no steps to address this sexual exploitation of thousands of innocent children.
In Saudi Arabia, the heartland of Islam, such trafficked children between the ages of five and twelve years old are sold in their thousands to fat wealthy Muslim men as sex slaves. Sannah Johnson, the Middle-East regional director for the Swedish Save the Children charity says,
"I am not surprised by the information about the existence of such traffic to Saudi Arabia and other countries in the region, particularly in light of that marriage with children is widespread and accepted"
Yes, that's right. There is nothing surprising of this sexual exploitation of children in the Islamic Middle-East because "marriage with children is widespread and accepted". What was that REASON INFUSION quoted about Bangladeshis (who are overwhelmingly Muslim) being "alarmingly tolerant" of child sexual abuse?
Also in "moderate Turkey", the country most often held up as the example of a modern and civilized Muslim majority nation, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime reported in 2006 that there were “very high” levels of human trafficking.
As Blackmore has already pointed out, a lot of the sexual abuse of women in the West, especially in Europe, but certainly not limited to there (for example the largest human trafficking case in US history was by a gang of Somali Muslim immigrants), are carried out by Muslims.
In the United Kingdom, there has been widespread grooming of young white, Hindu and Sikh girls by Pakistani Muslim men. Their religion is obviously an important factor because these so-called "Asians" are also targeting children from other non-Muslim Asian communities. In fact a whopping 25 percent of men accused of grooming children for sex are Asian Muslim offenders. Quite shocking when you consider that they only form a tiny percentage of the general UK population.
Oslo is the capital of Norway, and every single rape assault between 2005-2010, where the rapist could be identified, was committed by a non-Western foreigner. In 2010, its non-Western immigrant population was almost exclusively made up of immigrants from Muslim countries.
This is only the tip of the iceberg. The same pattern is being repeated all over Europe and the entire world. And, as with cases in the UK and their use of the word "Asian", the media is hiding the religion of the perpetrators using various means.
For example, the Swedish media referring to a gang of rapists, who assaulted two Swedish girls and raped one, as “Two Swedes, a Finn and a Somali”, when in fact they were four Somali Muslims. Norway refers to them as "non-Western foreigners" whilst statistics show most of those "non-Western foreigner " are from Muslim countries and one of the many victims even tells us the rapist himself admitted during the rape that he was doing this because "his religion" allows him to.
So far I have only covered Western countries where Muslims remain the minority, so you can imagine the dire situation women and children find themselves facing in countries with a Muslim majority. Indeed, this is happening everywhere and further proves that these attacks have nothing to do with ethnicity, but religion.
For example in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, where 74 percent of Pakistani women from the minority Christian and Hindu communities are sexually harassed and non-Muslim children who are victims of rape perpetrated by Muslim men are even refused medical help from Muslim doctors. A place where serial rapists specifically target non-Muslim children and the Muslim police (who are often the ones actually committing the rapes in the first place) refuse to take action (similar cases here, here, here, here, here and here).
|Christian murder victim, Zubaida Bibi. Failed rape attempt led to the Muslim slitting her throat|
There is no corresponding rape-wave committed by non-Muslim men in Pakistan or any other country, where the perpetrators are specifically targeting Muslim women and children.
Other Religiously Motivated Crimes and the Prison Population
Religiously motivated/justified crimes are not only limited to the sexual ones describe above, or to religiously sanctioned pedophilia (i.e. Islamic marriages) and child physical abuse. There are a whole host of other crimes which you would never initially guess could be motivated by the religion of the perpetrator.
For example, drug trafficking. In May 2011, anti-terrorist police in Italy dismantled a vast network of drug trafficking committed by illegal immigrant Islamists who admitted to wanting to "drown the Christians in drugs".
And then there is bank robberies. From Money Jihad's post, "More bank robbery by the mujahideen":
"First, some examples to set the table:
• North Carolina jihadist Daniel Patrick Boyd said it was okay to rob from infidels.
• Anwar al-Awlaki, an imam who has studied Islam his whole life, agrees entirely, and urged all Muslims living in the West either steal money from their hosts by welfare scam shakedowns, outright theft, or both.
• Islamist rabblerouser George Galloway endorsed this position as legitimate under Islam.
• The fundraising circle of the mastermind behind the Bali bombing also believed that they were fulfilling the requirements of Islam by robbing banks to fund jihad.
• We’ve also seen the bombing of banks in Turkey, the seizure of banks in Iraq, and bank heists perpetrated by armed Hamas security personnel.
And now for the latest from India’s Hindustan Times (h/t [T]ROP), where the Indian Mujahideen and the Student Islamic Movement of India are following the commandments of Allah, Muhammad, and their hearts by robbing from, in their eyes, valid kaffir targets"
If Muslims are truly committing a disproportionate amount of the crimes, you would expect them to be overrepresented in the various prison systems, and this is exactly the case all over the world.
In Blackmore's native Netherlands, a place like my native Bangladesh which REASON INFUSION attacks for its crime statistics, 20 percent of adult prisoners and 26 percent of all juvenile offenders are Muslim, compared with 5.5 percent of the general populace.
In Belgium, Muslims from Morocco and Turkey make up at least 16 percent of the prison population, compared with 2 percent of the general populace.
In France, Muslims make up about 60 to 70 percent of the prison population, compared with 12 percent of the general populace.
In many states in India, Muslims are significantly overrepresented in prisons. For example, in Maharashtra, Muslims make up 10.6 percent of the population but are 32.4 percent of those convicted or facing trial.
In Italy, of the 27,000 foreign detainees, one third of them are Muslim.
In Spain, 54,000 Muslim inmates make up 70 percent of the prison population. Spain with its 40-million population, is 94 percent Catholic and has a Muslim community of only 600,000.
In the United Kingdom, Muslims make up about 11 percent of the prison population, compared with 3 percent of the general populace.
In the United States, it is estimated that Muslims make up between 17-20 percent of the prison population, compared with only 0.8 percent of the general populace.
Bride-Burning among Muslims and Polygamy
Before moving onto polygamy and the conversion of women to Islam, I would like to briefly cover something else I partially overlooked in my previous response, bride-burning.
Bride-Burning in India and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
After his attack on the Netherlands, he then returns to addressing me and moves onto problems in India among Hindus. As I responded here (under the section "Tu Quoque or not Tu Quoque?") I am not even Hindu or Indian, I am Bangladeshi and of Muslim heritage, so other than being some sort of bigoted attack on my ethnicity, this tu quoque makes little sense.
REASON INFUSION himself admits bride-burning has no support from Hindu scriptures so it does leave the question; why bother even bringing it up in a discussion on religion? If slavery had no backing from Muslim scriptures, I certainly would not be discussing Islam in a discussion on religious slavery.
REASON INFUSION speaks of bride-burning but describes the practice of sati. What I failed to mention in my previous post was that this practice is almost completely eradicated in India. As Blackmore noted in his response:
"That wife burning of Hindu woman is baloney. That’s from a long time ago. Why do you constantly defend Islam with bad things of others of the past? India was ruled hundreds of years by Muslims who didn’t stop the widowburning. It was also ruled for 87 years by the English and they stopped it! And it’s only in the Islamic part of china where woman still have lotus feet. And circumcision these days is almost 100% a Muslim thing."
The bride-burning that happens now, is related to dowries and other issues, and is practiced by both Indian Hindus and Pakistani Muslims. REASON INFUSION is a Muslim and he has failed to condemn this practice. Therefore this argument has royally backfired on him.
Polygamy in India and the Difference between Religious and Cultural Backwardness
First I'd like to quote highlights of "Monogamy Reduces Major Social Problems of Polygamist Cultures", from the University of British Columbia, ScienceDaily, January 24, 2012:
"In cultures that permit men to take multiple wives, the intra-sexual competition that occurs causes greater levels of crime, violence, poverty and gender inequality than in societies that institutionalize and practice monogamous marriage.
That is a key finding of a new University of British Columbia-led study that explores the global rise of monogamous marriage as a dominant cultural institution. The study suggests that institutionalized monogamous marriage is rapidly replacing polygamy because it has lower levels of inherent social problems.[...]
Considered the most comprehensive study of polygamy and the institution of marriage, the study finds significantly higher levels rape, kidnapping, murder, assault, robbery and fraud in polygynous cultures. According to Henrich and his research team, which included Profs. Robert Boyd (UCLA) and Peter Richerson (UC Davis), these crimes are caused primarily by pools of unmarried men, which result when other men take multiple wives.
"The scarcity of marriageable women in polygamous cultures increases competition among men for the remaining unmarried women," says Henrich, adding that polygamy was outlawed in 1963 in Nepal, 1955 in India (partially), 1953 in China and 1880 in Japan. The greater competition increases the likelihood men in polygamous communities will resort to criminal behavior to gain resources and women, he says.[...]
Monogamous marriage has largely preceded democracy and voting rights for women in the nations where it has been institutionalized, says Henrich, the Canadian Research Chair in Culture, Cognition and Evolution in UBC's Depts. of Psychology and Economics. By decreasing competition for younger and younger brides, monogamous marriage increases the age of first marriage for females, decreases the spousal age gap and elevates female influence in household decisions which decreases total fertility and increases gender equality."
The reason for that quote is due to REASON INFUSION also bringing up polygamy and how it used to be legal in India for Hindu men. Bringing up the topic of polygamy only exposes what a wholly incompetent apologist REASON INFUSION really is, and highlights the one major difference between Islam and all other religions and cultures.
Man-made laws have evidently evolved with our morality, whilst Shari'ah (consisting of the Qur'an and Sunnah) are seen as Allah's unalterable holy law. To attempt to change it would be considered blasphemous, as it constitutes Bid'ah, something which was forbidden by Muhammad himself. What can be altered is Islamic jurisprudence, but as that is extracted from, and cannot contradict, Shari'ah, the results tend to remain unacceptable to the modern world.
This fact is nowhere more evident than in India and with its polygamy laws. REASON INFUSION mentions that polygamy, an extremely negative and harmful practice (see above ScienceDaily article) was outlawed in 1955 in India, but what he fails to mention is that this ban was not a universal ban covering all Indian citizens. Polygamy is illegal in India for Hindus and all other religious groups under the Hindu marriage Act, yet remains legal for Muslim men under Shari'ah.
We are not discussing two different sets of cultures here, only one; The Indian culture. Yet within this single culture, one massive group (i.e. Muslims) fails to adapt to change because their religion forbids major reforms and specifically justifies and institutionalizes these backward practices through the example of its founder (the "Uswa Hasana" or "excellent model of conduct").
This is why polygamy is still legally practiced by Muslim Indians but not by any other Indians. This is why slavery is still practiced by Muslims and why REASON INFUSION cannot outright condemn slavers. This is why almost half of all the worlds Muslims are inbred. And this is why some, but certainly not all, "Anti-Islamists" criticize Islam above all other religions.
Hypocritical Muslim apologists like REASON INFUSION use similar arguments in order to defend the disgusting practice of pedophilic Islamic marriages. "Americans and Europeans both considered child marriages to be acceptable!" they tell critics. And, yes, this is true. But note the past tense. They "considered" , not "consider". Marriage to young girls was previously seen as normal, yet most people in the West today, both religious and secular, find child marriages to be repulsive. Could this be because they have no uswa hasana who married and fudged a child?
As the recent study on polygamy, the most comprehensive of its kind, quoted in the ScienceDaily finds; polygamy is partially responsible for younger brides, larger age gaps between partners, gender inequality, and increased fertility rates. And every single one of those symptoms of polygamy are evident in Muslim populations all over the world.
Child brides and larger age gaps between partners has already been covered in an earlier response, but in addition to that I will now cover the other two symptoms; gender inequality and increased fertility rates.
Concerning gender inequality, this is apparent even in the laws concerning polygamy (women are not allowed four husbands), but gender inequality in Islam goes a lot further than that. For example; some women's rights activists in Iran have criticized the laws governing women. They say women face difficulties in "getting a divorce and criticize inheritance laws they say are unjust and the fact their court testimony is worth half that of a man's", and they also "cannot run for president or become judges." But all of this is supported by Islam.
The sexist inheritance laws are taken straight from the Qur'an (a male inherits twice that of a female [Qur'an 4:11]). And so are the laws governing female testimonies (a women's testimony in court is worth half that of a man's [Qur'an 2:282]). Muhammad himself explains the necessity for such gender disparity within Islamic law, calling women deficient in intelligence [Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301], and also condemned women in high social positions (i.e. presidents, judges etc), by declaring "Never will succeed such a nation that makes a woman their ruler." [Sahih Bukhari 9:88:219].
Unfortunately, we can all too clearly see the natural results of such unnatural and inhumane beliefs in the real world:
"The 2009 report by the World Economic Forum has listed predominantly Islamic nations in the bottom of their annual Global Gender Gap (GGG) Index.....The only nation not predominantly Islamic in the bottom of the Global Gender Gap index was Benin.
In addition, the 2009 World Economic Forum Global Gender Gap Index report does not include rankings on a number of significant and predominantly Islamic nations where women are oppressed. [...]
Even with these significant exclusions from the Global Gender Gap index report, the bottom 10 index nations (excluding Benin), which are all predominantly Islamic nations, represent a population of over half a billion individuals.....If women represent half of the population in these nations, then these bottom 10 predominantly Islamic nations demonstrate the ongoing oppression of an estimated 250 million women.
In addition, if some other predominantly Islamic nations in the bottom of the Global Gender Gap index are also added to these totals, the global image of the correlated oppression of women further expands dramatically. (Again, this is without such nations as Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., which were not included in the GGG index report analysis.)
If nine additional such nations in the GGG index are added, the total population impacted doubles from half a billion to over 1 billion.....If women represent half of the population in these nations, then these bottom ranked, predominantly Islamic nations demonstrate the ongoing oppression of an estimated 500 million women.
All of the predominantly Islamic nations referenced in these calculations are members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC). The OIC rejects the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), and has created its own version of a human rights document, “the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights” that stipulates that “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari’a” and that “The Islamic Shari’a is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification to any of the articles of this Declaration.”
Concerning increased fertility rates, this is something Muhammad specifically endorsed, funnily enough, to make his religion the "fastest growing religion". Note that the misogynistic bastard also discouraged Muslims from marrying women who do not "give birth to children":
"Narrated Ma'qil ibn Yasar: A man came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: I have found a woman of rank and beauty, but she does not give birth to children. Should I marry her? He said: No. He came again to him, but he prohibited him. He came to him third time, and he (the Prophet) said: Marry women who are loving and very prolific, for I shall outnumber the peoples by you." [Abu Dawud 11:2045]
This too is reflected in the real world through some alarming statistics. Muslims in almost every nation are out-breeding the "competition".
In Egypt, Muslim women have a total fertility rate that has been consistently 15% higher than the total fertility rate for Christian women.
In India, Muslim women have a total fertility rate of 4.4, which is 1.1 children higher than the total fertility rate for Hindu women [K.M. Mathew, ed.: Manorama Yearbook 1996, p.458-459].
In Israel, Muslim women have a total fertility rate that is double that of Jewish women.
In Lebanon, a nation that has both a large Christian and Muslim population, the total fertility rate of Christian women is considerably less than that of Muslim women, and is in fact well below the replacement level.
In the United Kingdom, over a quarter (27 percent) of Muslim families had 3 or more dependent children, compared with 14 percent of Sikh, 8 per cent of Hindu, and 7 per cent of Christian families.
Conversions, Particularly of Women, in the West
Due to being pressed for time, I will keep this final section brief, but can always expand on it at a later date via a new post if the need arises.
I forget the exact figures REASON INFUSION quoted, but it was allegedly an estimate of several thousand converts in the UK over an unspecified period of time. Apparently two-thirds of the converts were women and 55 percent of all converts were white (that last part seemed to impress him a lot).
- The estimated figures quoted by REASON INFUSION are not very impressive when you take into consideration the fact that there are an estimated 200,000 apostates in the UK who have left Islam only to be faced with abuse, violence and even murder.
- Numerous studies over several decades have consistently found that women are naturally "more likely to believe in God, and are more religious than men"
- The ironically named REASON INFUSION is yet again committing a logical fallacy, namely, "Argumentum ad populum". Even if every woman in the UK converted to Islam, it still wouldn't "prove" Islam is not oppressive to women.
- Similar to the situation of non-Muslim females in Pakistan (where there are annually over 700 forced conversions) and Egypt, Muslims often force women/girls into conversions in the UK. It was reported in 2007 that British police were clamping down on "aggressive conversions" to Islam, during which vulnerable teenage girls are beaten up by Muslim men (I have personally seen similar behavior and I can tell REASON INFUSION that it is not something to be proud of).
- Anti-Islamists generally do not claim Islam is a "black man's religion". That's usually the line of Muslim missionaries trying to convert/brainwash people like REASON INFUSION. Frankly, saying such a thing is an insult to black men. Whites converting to Islam simply proves that stupidity transcends racial lines.